- April 21, 2017
Exclusive: Robert Pattinson on ĎThe Lost City of Zí,
Future Projects, Superhero Movies and More
by Steve 'Frosty' Weintraub
With The Lost City of Z now playing in in theaters around the country, I recently sat down with Robert Pattinson for an exclusive in-depth interview. During the wide-ranging conversation he talked about got involved in the project, why he wanted to work with James Gray, who decided his character should have an epic beard, shooting on film, memorable moments from filming which included an epic two-and-a-half-hour hike at 3 a.m. through a pitch black forest, why he canít wait for people to see the Safdie Brothersí new film Good Time, his experience watching The Handmaiden in NYC, when heíll be shooting Claire Denisí High Life, if heíd like to be involved in a superhero movie, and so much more.
If youíre not familiar with The Lost City of Z, the film is based on David GrannĎs best-selling book, ďThe Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the AmazonĒ, and it tells the incredible true story of British explorer Percy Fawcett (Charlie Hunnam), who journeys into the Amazon at the dawn of the 20th century and discovers evidence of a previously unknown, advanced civilization that may have once inhabited the region. Despite being ridiculed by the scientific establishment who regard indigenous populations as ďsavagesĒ, the determined Fawcett Ė supported by his devoted wife (Sienna Miller), son (Tom Holland) and aide de camp (Robert Pattinson) Ė returns time and again to his beloved jungle in an attempt to prove his case, culminating in his mysterious disappearance in 1925.
Loaded with exceptional performances, breathtaking cinematography, and a fantastic script, I absolutely loved the film and strongly recommend checking it out. Itís definitely one of my favorite films of 2017. For more on The Lost City of Z, you can read Chris Cabinís glowing review.
Hereís what Robert Pattinson had to say:
COLLIDER: You wonít remember this, but I actually interviewed you in New York for Remember Me, back in 2010. So, youíve landed on your feet.
ROBERT PATTINSON: God. So long ago now and it was 2010.
Yeah. Long time ago.
PATTINSON: Doesnít feel like a very long time ago.
Time goes by very fast. Thereís something I want to talk to you about: Iím a legit fan of your acting. One of the things that I am impressed by is the movies youíve done. Youíre going for cool roles with good directors and youíre going after scripts. For example, I really enjoyed your work in The Rover. And I think that one of the things is a lot of actors have to work because of, you know, they have to pay the mortgage. And I think that one of the benefits you have is you gained that financial freedom after a certain franchise to be able to pick the projects you want to do. Can you sort of talk about what youíve tried to do over the few years as an actor and the roles youíve been gravitating towards?
PATTINSON: Yeah, thatís completely right. I mean, I have been incredibly fortunate to be able to do that. But I also think if you get sort of early success thereís always this part of you which feels like, ďI need to address the imbalance, I need to kind of earn that success after the factĒ [laughs]. And so I try to find roles that are hard and also, I still find now, even after Iíve done loads of really random movies, directors are really surprised that I want to play the parts that I want to play. They just assume that you want to only do the honorable good guy lead who saves the day or dies at the end [laughs]. Itís like, I donít know, I just kind of donít think any audience would want to see me do that, or I always think that you have to have a certain understanding of what an audience would want to see from you as a public person as well as a character. So yeah, I generally try and find ways to get my characters severely punished [laughs].
The other thing though is a lot of people Iíve spoken to talk about getting pigeonholed in a certain type of role and the only way you can sort of break that is to show people that you donít want to do just this one role again and again and again.
PATTINSON: Yeah, and itís amazing as well how people if you want to get a different role, the majority of time the producers or directors want to see you play a similar role already, whereas the only thing I really want to do is swing wildly from one end to the other [laughs]. But then I think after itís just starting to kind settle into the kind of area that I want to be in. I knew it would take a long time, but like this year working with Claire Denis and Iím probably going to workóI donít know if I can say it yet [laughs].
Yeah, donít. I donít want to get you in trouble. But by all means, say it.
PATTINSON: I think Iím going to do something with Antonio Campos as well. Do you know Antonio Campos is?
PATTINSON: The part with him is like ĖI mean, he actually wanted me to do a different part and I was like, ďNo this is the part.Ē Itís this absolutely degenerate [laughs]. But then I did this thing with the Safdie Brothers. I donít know if you know the Safdies?
Iím not as familiar.
PATTINSON: They did that film called Heaven Knows What about west side junkies.
I definitely didnít see it, and I donít think I want to pretend that I did.
PATTINSON: Itís incredible. I have this movie coming out this year with them, which is really like, I donít know why they trust me on it but itís playing ĖItís like so specifically Queens-related, and Iím obviously not at all acquainted [laughs].
Youíre not from New York? Iím surprised to learn this!
PATTINSON: And everyoneís non-actors in it, and weíre pretty muchÖ
Well, American Honey did a great job without traditional actors.
PATTINSON: Yeah, I think itís the same, man. Elaine or Jen, who cast that? God, my memory is so shit. Yeah, I think itís the same casting people who did American Honey. But a lot of the people from American Honey came from the Safdie Brothersí first movie Heaven Knows What.
Oh, there you go.
PATTINSON: Yeah. But she is an amazing street-casting person, she is incredible. And some of the people inóThereís this movie called Good Time, and itís crazy. I literally canít wait for it to come out.
Thatís what Megan was saying.
PATTINSON: Oh really?
She was saying, ďYou need to see this movie,Ē and Iím like, ďOkay!Ē
PATTINSON: Itís just really fun. I mean, itís kind of like, itís so scrappy and stuff but you know, I watch so many movies and I find a lot of them very predictable, and also, a little bit playing it safe.
Thatís why you should go see The Handmaiden.
PATTINSON: I love The Handmaiden. Itís fucking amazing.
If you want to talk about movies that take twists and turns. I was sitting in the theater, jaw on ground, six times.
PATTINSON: No! I literally thought it was absolutely incredible. And also, I didnít really know what it was about, and I remember watching in this theater in New York and thereís so many dirty, creepy old men sitting around [laughs] and I was watching like ďWhat? This movie is crazy sexy! I had no idea at all!Ē
But you mentioned, thatís the type of movie you will not get made in America anymore. Maybe, I donít even know if it could have ever been made in America.
PATTINSON: Itís that main period where it could have been, but likeÖ
Maybe the early 70s?
PATTINSON: Or 80s. Thereís a bunch ofÖ
Oh, thatís true!
PATTINSON: Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I just find it so Ė I mean, I love going to a theater and just being like, ďWow!Ē That and I mean, Embrace of the Serpent. Did you ever see that?
I have not, but Iíve heard of it.
PATTINSON: Unbelievable. But yeah, I donít understand. But this thing I did with the Safdies, itís kind of very sort of subversive, but at the same time itís a real genre film. So I think people will see it and kind of be quiet, it seems itís weirdly accessible for a very strange movie. So, I hope people will like it.
Well, jumping into why I get to talk to you, the actual movie, The Lost City of Z.
PATTINSON: Yeah, sorry!
No, itís fine! Itís just I really, really enjoyed this film. I walked in not knowing that much. I was captivated beginning to end. Was this a part that you went after? Did James [Gray] come to you? Howíd you get involved?
PATTINSON: I met James like a billion times over the years. He was in my top five of people I wanted to work with. I loved We Own the Night, Two Lovers and everything heís done, really. Even when I just started acting that was the guy I wanted to work with. Iíve been attached to a bunch of different things with him. With this, he gave me the book and I read the book and went ďYeah the bookís really cool. But I mean like, what part?Ē Because normally the personís not mentioned that much and I was really young when he first gave it to me, so I was like, ďUh, is it theÖ?Ē I think initially he was thinking about me playing the son, and it just kept kind of developing, but he never quite mentioned which part it was [laughs]. But yeah, I really just wanted to work with him and also Darius Khondji.
So whose idea was it for the beard, for losing weight, or whatever you did to get ready for this role?
PATTINSON: Um. No managing weight [laughs].
We should mention that you are eating peanut M&Mís.
PATTINSON: And if there wasnít a tape recorder, Iíd just pour them into my mouth [laughs]. Well, the beard thing was because Costin in reality had this big Victorian mustache and so I was initially intending to have a mustache, but the real Costin was kind of a stout, stocky, short guy and having a big mustache looks very different on that body shape person when Iím kind of a tall, skinny person, it ends up looking sort of quite like Noel Coward-ly. So I thought the mustache wouldnít really work. And then we just did the screen test, and I was just about to shave off the bottom, and James was like, ďNo, no! Donít do that!Ē which is weird because I end up being the only soldier in World War I with a beard. [laughs] You werenít allowed to have beards.
Artistic liberty. I understand.
PATTINSON: Itís one of those parts where itís so Charlie [Hunnam]ís movie and I had a ton of ideas about stuff but nothing really mattered until I could see what story Charlie and James wanted to tell. I had a very specific idea of what the story was, it was actually quite different how it ended up being told when weíre doing the movie, and so I was just kind of just reacting on the fly, and I guess that in a lot of ways just became my character just being along for the ride in a way.
I got to tell you though, itís just such an incredible story, but I am so impressed with the filmmaking. I know you guys shot on film. Did you guys even remember what the sound of the camera was? Because no one shoots film and itís so rare.
PATTINSON: You know what, I shoot on film a lot. I pretty much, pretty much every movie I do shoots on film.
Even Good Time and Damsel.
PATTINSON: Damsel not butÖ
PATTINSON: Iím not sure if sheís going to shoot on film, but Good Time was. And Good Time was shooting on 35 and we were all shooting completely guerrilla as well, I mean, it was crazy. But I kind of know really, if someone says theyíre going to shoot on 35 theyíre probably a better filmmaker. Theyíre either pretentious or better [laughs].
I think James lands in the field of heís a good filmmaker.
PATTINSON: I mean he wouldnít, itís just unthinkable for him to shoot on anything other than on film.
The thing is though what Iím so impressed by is that you shot in the middle of these jungles. Weíre talking remote location to bring cameras in there with film, thatís borderline Apocalypse Now.
PATTINSON: But thatís the thing, because I shot The Rover on film as well, and really the technology behind an analog camera is so much more hardy than a digital one, especially in the heat or humidity or anything. I mean, to be honest, everyone thinks that a digital camera is more reliable and every single time I work on any movie, itís just as many problems, the memory card doesnít work or blah blah blah, it overheats; itís the same volume as another camera. I think people are bit taken in by it. The only thing is just doing really, really long takes, but most of the time if youíre doing really long takes theyíre probably pretty bad [laughs].
Although I will say that Iíve seen some long takes in film and in TV recently that have really impressed me, just really well done.
PATTINSON: Thereís definitely a way if you really, if you are using a digital camera specifically for that reason you have in mind from the beginning, then yeah, itíll work. But like if youíre just shooting a normal film and just kind of just shooting extra stuff because you can because youíve got the memory space, itís a bit pointless. I think thereís also something about ĖIíve always found with film it heightens the experience a lot, but more knowing that itís difficult to work with, it requires expertsóI mean a digital camera does too, but I mean thereís just something about the fact that you can actually run out of film so you have to do something.
Hugh Grant told me a really funny story that he still gets very nervous when people call action because especially when the cameraís going, because you know itís like, ďPerform!Ē So he asked the AD or people to say ďGo!Ē Not even action, because it gets in his head. So I want to ask you, do you have that sort of twitch if you will when ďActionĒ is called? Do you have any sort of neuroses? Or are you sort of like, ďIím inĒ?
PATTINSON: Iím sort of in before. I was always think thereís an interesting kind of gameplay with where and how you start a scene, where the action happens. I actually get really pissed off when someone doesnít say ďaction,Ē because I just find all of this confusion when someoneís like [whispers] ďOkayÖĒ And then itís like, ďOh the fuck is it? What is Ďokay?í Just say Ďaction,í everybody else says Ďaction!'Ē Everything just starts and everyone is just like limping into the scene. As soon as you hear action and then youíre so immediately into the scene you can actually dictate the pace of it, because everyone else is supposed to be hearing it at the same time, itís like a 100-meter sprint and youíre hearing the starting pistol, you can use that for performance.
I always love asking about memorable moments from filming. I would imagine making Lost City, there must be a day or two that youíre gonna remember forever.
PATTINSON: Yeah, probably our last shot on the last day. It was pretty nuts. For some reason we went there in the rainy season and people just could not get the concept that like itís just going to rain every day. Like, ďCome on, guys, itís going to rain every day! Itís the rain season! Letís just prepare ourselves for rain.Ē And every single day thereíd be this total confusion when like it started raining and all of the sudden everybody would be like, ďWAHHH! Run!Ē and we always waited too late and weíd have to go ĖWe were in like little tin boats in the middle of an electrical storm going down a river, I mean, itís like crazy dangerous. But on the last day though, it had been raining in the mountain for hours and hours and hours, and suddenly the floodólike all the rainóstarted coming down the river, and the river just rose and rose and rose like a foot every couple of minutes and we were on a tiny little sandbank and it was in the night and we were in a nature reserve so you couldnít have any proper light, so it was all just a few battery-powered lights, and you could barely see anything and youíre covered in sand fleas and stuff. And then suddenly, as the river got higher there all these black caimans just floating past us and trying to get on the sandbank with us, and everyone was trying to carry an entire film crewís worth of equipment just up the side of a riverbank into the forest. And we just had to walk a two-and-a-half-hour hike at 3 a.m. through pitch black forest with about four torches with like a hundred people to get back to the town. It was completely mental. And it was very fun and a very unique experience.
Itís really good then that the movie turned out so great. Because if you did this entire challenging shoot and then the movie was shitÖ
PATTINSON: Either way, I wouldnít really mind. It was so much fun doing it, it could have been just as fun to be a spectacular failure too.
Iím very happy with how it turned out though. You mentioned you have stuff in development. Iím really excited for High Life. Iím curious about what youíre thinking of for the future, and of course Iím going to ask you, the superhero genre is the most popular thing on the planet and Iím sure people have discussed it or at least itís come up in a meeting. Is that an arena you want to play in? Or have you had sort of your franchise fill?
PATTINSON: Yeah, for sure. I just feel like itísÖit has to feel right and you have to ĖItís partly the same thing ĖI feel like you have to earn something with an audience. If I just did it now, I think producers on any superhero movie, I think they wouldnít trust me to do it the way Iíd want to do it, because Iíd want to do something basically really strange. I think you have to earn that freedom to do stuff like that. So I think, if I keep kind of chipping away, trying to do good movies and interesting, strange movies then people will eventually trust you to do that on a bigger scale.
I was going to say I can see you doing a good antagonist in a superhero movie, which would allow you to maybe pursue the strange and weird in a way that the protagonist could not.
PATTINSON: Iíd love to do a kind of superhero-y, graphic novel-y thing if it was an original piece. Itís a very different experience when thereís already an audience for it. Iím always interested in Guardians of the Galaxy. I loved Guardians of the Galaxy.
And why wouldnít you.
PATTINSON: Itís great to have these characters which no one really knows exactly what theyíre going to be like; itís a strange thing when people already have expectations of something. Itís strange to try and please
people at the same time.
What was it about High Life? Was it the script? Was it your director? What is it about the project that excites you?
PATTINSON: I cannot believe Iím doing a movie with Claire Denis. I donít understand how I got it. I feel like, I just keep thinking, ďOh, I know the finances are going to fall apart,Ē and I know itís pretty serious financing now. But it also happens to be one of the craziest treatments and all of the people involved in that as well. I donít know if you know the artist Olafur Eliasson.
Iím not as familiar as you are.
PATTINSON: If you see his work, his basic production design of a spaceship, black hole and stuff. Iíve seen some tests already and itís unbelievable. And with working with Claire itís literally rare to find a filmmaker who has not made a bad movie ever and I really think about that with Claire and every single thing sheís done. Itís kind of fascinating. Just one of those people I didnít think that was a real thing, to be able to get a movie with Claire Denis. I thought they just sort of existed somewhere else.
I am very happy for you, that youíll be able to pull this off. I think Mia Goth told me she was filming soon. But I guess itís not filming yet.
PATTINSON: Yeah, no. Apparently weíre starting in August.
I hope the financing comes together.
PATTINSON: [Laughs]. Itís been two-and-a-half years now!
The Lost City of Z is now in theaters.